I had hoped that AMD would put out a ryzen version of the i7-8705G, with vega 20-24 graphics (1280-1536 sps) and 4 gb of hbm. That would be more interesting in a laptop context and help avoid the memory speed/channel issues that have plagued AMD laptops since they went to apus...…
This is just a higher wattage sped up version of what they already have, and I suspect most laptops that actually make it to the market would come with ddr4-2400 memory, not ddr4-3200...
There's probably no 2800X being planned - although I guess yet another special bin could potentially exist but this is probably the specially binned chip for laptops.
the 2800H is not a bad idea and could do well on the market, but it is essentially the same chip as the Ryzen 5 2400g (for desktops), just with a lower TDP but higher max memory in the specifications. It is also very similar to the Ryzen 7 2700U, but with a higher TDP and one extra CU. So you can kind of get an idea of the performance by looking at Ryzen 5 2400G desktops and Ryzen 7 2700U laptops and then factoring in the differences in memory speeds, TDPs, laptop build, and extra CU (relative to the 2700U).
Threadripper has a lot of drawbacks (mainly latency-related) that make it largely unsuitable for gaming and normal consumer workloads. An updated 8-core TR is not a replacement for or an alternative to an 8-core Ryzen.
Why? There's no relation between the two product lines beyond the base Zen core desing. Different silicon, different markets, different needs. Just because they use the 2800 name in mobile doesn't mean they'll do so in desktop.
I've actually seen quite a few Ryzen Mobile laptops running in dual channel, at halfway decent speeds. The situation is certainly much better than it was pre-Ryzen.
There are SO-DIMMs running at 3200 and probably higher speeds, and as they see official support (which even a non-boutique system can take advantage of) there will likely be more.
shame we do not get a full out Vega 28 GPU that uses GDDR5...they did this for that chinese console, get rid of the cpu side of it, and put the Vega 28 on the market, allow folks to use whatever CPU they want and get a "pretty good" GPU at a more affordable price then V56 and 64 can be had at.
if they can do this with an APU, there is nothing "stopping them" from doing it for a stand alone GPU...even if it were only available from them directly, HBM2 is "cool" but also quite expensive, GDDR5/5x are quite a bit lower cost and if they are "only" feeding 28 or 32 CU likely the "bottleneck" will be virtually non existent.
hell if you "tune" a vega 56 you can easily get it below 100w, if you can do that with a 56 CU model, then a 28 or 32 CU should be able to get down to 50-75w at full clocks.
at least it will be a "kind of" refresh before Navi which may or may not be before 1Q2019 (who knows how good or bad it will be)
hopefully AMD reworks gpu driver in this time as well to allow FORCED clock and voltage if the user should so wish (as well as a "quick click" for profiles like afterburner uses, which wattman best I can tell really does not....while they are at it, they should unbundle wattman from drivers and leave as optional download/activation)
but yes going by what others are saying, no matter if AMD made this a configurable TDP and out of box support for DDR4 3200+, vendors (such as HP, or Lenovo) likely will butcher what performance it can have by only using DDR4 2400 (high timings) a very poor battery capacity etc and still slap on a noticeably higher buying cost because "it is the best model of AMD APU in H series currently.
I think it would be nice to have the configurable TDP as a small symbol in the task bar. Just 1 or 2 clicks to reduce fan noise (TDP down) for extended loads or max performance in e.g. a struggling game (TDP up).
Yes, that is badly needed. High CPU boosting hurts battery life, and takes away power from iGPU in games. An easy way to switch between TDP and CPU/iGPU power distribution profiles would make AMD laptops so much better.
So maybe a stupid question but isn't the Ryzen Pro faster and what ever happened to the AMD Ryzen Pro w Vega processors and laptops announced back in March:
the ryzen pro has been released since late august for OEM and can be ordered now.
I already have an early sample on my desk for testing. It is a huge step up from the A pro series. If you see benchmarks the A series were affordable parts vs intel but lacked some punch and did have some power consumption overhead. Now with ryzen you get affordable and comparable performance and power consumption vs intel.
" In the meantime, we do know that Lenovo has listed AMD’s H-series mobile APUs already, so expect the company to offer laptops powered by such processors in the coming months."
It took lenovo almost a year to release a ryzen machine after the launch of ryzen. The ryzen powered A285/485 are STILL not out. We will see these chips sometime in 2020 im sure.
Honestly I am more interested in a 5 watt ryzen chip. For 11 and 13 inch machines, ULV CPUs are the norm, and AMD is still selling Bristol ridge there, where it is completely non-competitive. I would love to see an inspiron 11 2 in 1 with a ryzen APU instead of carrizo.
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Novaguy - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I had hoped that AMD would put out a ryzen version of the i7-8705G, with vega 20-24 graphics (1280-1536 sps) and 4 gb of hbm. That would be more interesting in a laptop context and help avoid the memory speed/channel issues that have plagued AMD laptops since they went to apus...…This is just a higher wattage sped up version of what they already have, and I suspect most laptops that actually make it to the market would come with ddr4-2400 memory, not ddr4-3200...
Batmeat - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
What I think is interesting is the 2800H. If this chip exists, then it's almost certain the 2800X exists too.Novaguy - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
There's probably no 2800X being planned - although I guess yet another special bin could potentially exist but this is probably the specially binned chip for laptops.the 2800H is not a bad idea and could do well on the market, but it is essentially the same chip as the Ryzen 5 2400g (for desktops), just with a lower TDP but higher max memory in the specifications. It is also very similar to the Ryzen 7 2700U, but with a higher TDP and one extra CU. So you can kind of get an idea of the performance by looking at Ryzen 5 2400G desktops and Ryzen 7 2700U laptops and then factoring in the differences in memory speeds, TDPs, laptop build, and extra CU (relative to the 2700U).
Novaguy - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
Oh, wait, you're referring to a special binned 8/16 version of the r7 2800X, not these 4/8 with vegas.that almost certainly will happen. they'll wait until intel comes out with their 8/16 i9.
SaberKOG91 - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I think it's more likely that they'll release an updated 8 core Threadripper like they did last year.Valantar - Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - link
Threadripper has a lot of drawbacks (mainly latency-related) that make it largely unsuitable for gaming and normal consumer workloads. An updated 8-core TR is not a replacement for or an alternative to an 8-core Ryzen.deil - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I agree with you :) they will maneuver with TDP to make sure 2800X will be at least as fast as intel i9. Probably 105-135 W range.Valantar - Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - link
Why? There's no relation between the two product lines beyond the base Zen core desing. Different silicon, different markets, different needs. Just because they use the 2800 name in mobile doesn't mean they'll do so in desktop.MrSpadge - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
> would come with ddr4-2400 memory, not ddr4-3200...Don't forget that it has to be single channel for AMD APUs!
More serious: is there any DDR4-3200 in SO-DIMM form factor yet?
Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I've actually seen quite a few Ryzen Mobile laptops running in dual channel, at halfway decent speeds. The situation is certainly much better than it was pre-Ryzen.There are SO-DIMMs running at 3200 and probably higher speeds, and as they see official support (which even a non-boutique system can take advantage of) there will likely be more.
Dragonstongue - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
shame we do not get a full out Vega 28 GPU that uses GDDR5...they did this for that chinese console, get rid of the cpu side of it, and put the Vega 28 on the market, allow folks to use whatever CPU they want and get a "pretty good" GPU at a more affordable price then V56 and 64 can be had at.if they can do this with an APU, there is nothing "stopping them" from doing it for a stand alone GPU...even if it were only available from them directly, HBM2 is "cool" but also quite expensive, GDDR5/5x are quite a bit lower cost and if they are "only" feeding 28 or 32 CU likely the "bottleneck" will be virtually non existent.
hell if you "tune" a vega 56 you can easily get it below 100w, if you can do that with a 56 CU model, then a 28 or 32 CU should be able to get down to 50-75w at full clocks.
at least it will be a "kind of" refresh before Navi which may or may not be before 1Q2019 (who knows how good or bad it will be)
hopefully AMD reworks gpu driver in this time as well to allow FORCED clock and voltage if the user should so wish (as well as a "quick click" for profiles like afterburner uses, which wattman best I can tell really does not....while they are at it, they should unbundle wattman from drivers and leave as optional download/activation)
but yes going by what others are saying, no matter if AMD made this a configurable TDP and out of box support for DDR4 3200+, vendors (such as HP, or Lenovo) likely will butcher what performance it can have by only using DDR4 2400 (high timings) a very poor battery capacity etc and still slap on a noticeably higher buying cost because "it is the best model of AMD APU in H series currently.
MrSpadge - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I think it would be nice to have the configurable TDP as a small symbol in the task bar. Just 1 or 2 clicks to reduce fan noise (TDP down) for extended loads or max performance in e.g. a struggling game (TDP up).neblogai - Friday, September 21, 2018 - link
Yes, that is badly needed. High CPU boosting hurts battery life, and takes away power from iGPU in games. An easy way to switch between TDP and CPU/iGPU power distribution profiles would make AMD laptops so much better.Ankou - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
So maybe a stupid question but isn't the Ryzen Pro faster and what ever happened to the AMD Ryzen Pro w Vega processors and laptops announced back in March:https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-pro-processo...
This laptop has been "coming soon" since March and still not available:
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thin...
Actually none of these AMD Ryzen PRO are showing available still:
https://www.amd.com/en/where-to-buy/commercial-sys...
duploxxx - Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - link
the ryzen pro has been released since late august for OEM and can be ordered now.I already have an early sample on my desk for testing. It is a huge step up from the A pro series. If you see benchmarks the A series were affordable parts vs intel but lacked some punch and did have some power consumption overhead. Now with ryzen you get affordable and comparable performance and power consumption vs intel.
velanapontinha - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
I have 4 HP Elitebook laptops in my company sporting the 2700U processor. These are actually very good. I'll probably get 45 more early next year.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 20, 2018 - link
" In the meantime, we do know that Lenovo has listed AMD’s H-series mobile APUs already, so expect the company to offer laptops powered by such processors in the coming months."It took lenovo almost a year to release a ryzen machine after the launch of ryzen. The ryzen powered A285/485 are STILL not out. We will see these chips sometime in 2020 im sure.
Honestly I am more interested in a 5 watt ryzen chip. For 11 and 13 inch machines, ULV CPUs are the norm, and AMD is still selling Bristol ridge there, where it is completely non-competitive. I would love to see an inspiron 11 2 in 1 with a ryzen APU instead of carrizo.
vorikuxu - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
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